Great song, and one that it seems like just about everyone did a cover of. Dobie's is obviously the benchmark but Bob Seger did a pretty decent job with it too.
Big Dog
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Give me the beat...
by FMZ ingive me the the beat boys and free my soul.
i wanna get lost in your rock and roll and drift away..
spread the love, people..
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Big Dog
Actually we were discussing both, as they are entertwined to a certain extent, but as I said before, discussing such issues with a layman is often futile, unless you are a lawyer, then I would apologize for that comment and be more than a bit bewildered at your responses.
I will repeat myself, I heard exactly what you said and understand exactly what you said and was responding to both your pro-abortion, or should I say, your pro-my body is mine to do whatever I want with and agreeing with you that the domestic laws suck, but saying that you seemed to not really mind that they sucked.
I enjoyed the discussion, and hope that you have a nice day as well as you have more of it left where you are than where I am.
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Big Dog
Stillla, there are often mitigating circumstances, as with homicide we have different types, premeditate, depraved indifference, manslaughter, etc. Mitigating circumstances are used to lessen the severity of the crime.
If I were king I would probaby go with no abortion as retroactive birth control, allowed for these extreme (and in the huge minority of cases) situations rape, incest, endangering the mother, etc.
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Big Dog
Oh no, I got your agreement, right before you went on to say that you were glad to be a woman and recipient of the benefits of such laws, and then more in the vein of dominion over your body, and the arguement that drug laws don't stop people from doing drugs, no, no more than the laws on the books regarding murder don't stop people from that activity either. But the laws do provide punishment for said acts, which, and laymen keep missing the point here, this is not a question of forcing your beliefs on another, this is a question of protecting life. We have laws regarding murder, which we have decided as a society that the taking of another's life without justification is wrong. The debate with abortion is that unborn children deserve that same protection under the law, the sticky point being when the become "people." This is the same problem with assisted suicide, I mean what's the big problem there? So old person decides they want to end their life, why stop them, eh? Its because we value life in this society, we think its precious and should be protected. Its not about someone trying to project their morality on you, its about people trying to protect life.
But on some level it appears that you do seem to get the inherent problem with the situation with regards to the domestic laws. But your advice to your childen would seem to negate most of the need for abortion, no? Why be so gung ho for abortion if what you really think the problems is, is people not wanting to take responsibility for their actions.
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Big Dog
Well, its attitudes like that that allow me to sleep with no problem when I am able to get one of my client's out of having to pay child support or alimony.
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Big Dog
Yes, or even as was shown in a thread awhile ago a woman gave her boyfriend a blow job, saved the semen, impregnated herself then sued and won on child support. You body is not your own as women love to rant when abortion comes up, you are not allowed to take certain drugs, suicide is illegal, etc. So this great dominion that women seem to think they posess over their own bodies is not what it seems.
You are right, once a woman is pregnant she can do as she pleases here in th US, even if the father wants the child, too bad, she can abort if she so chooses, or not and force the poor son of a bitch to pay child support for the next 18 years. My point is that the domestic laws in the US are unfair with reagards to the father, he has no say as to whether he will have a child, or have to pay for that child. I feel if its the woman's body and she doesn't want any imput from the man that impregnated her, then she can shoulder the financial burden as well, or wait, she can go have an abortion.
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Big Dog
Bisous, we are talking consensual sex here, are you saying that women take no part in the act of sex? That men have complete control of that situation?
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Big Dog
Also, I keep hearing people saying they don't want to force their views on others which is noble on its face but just about every law we have is in essence the will of the group being forced on the masses. That's how it typically works in the US, we look at public policy, the good of the many outweigh the good of the few.
Also as has been pointed out, the bulk of the abortions are not these extreme situations, rape, incest, danger to the mother, etc., it is simply being used as reactive method of birth control. I'll say it again, what is at issue here is when do we think a life with worth protecting, at what point does that life deserve the same protections we enjoy.
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Big Dog
If we men truly have no say in the final decision as to whether to abort or not, I would say that paternity suits and the ensuing support should go by the wayside as well.
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Big Dog
I think there is a lot of confusion as to what the debate regarding abortion is actually about. Its not about forcing one's ideas on another, its about society deciding what is life. In the US when the Supreme Court handed down Roe vs. Wade they decided that when a fetus became viable that the state then took an interest in that life, and that life becomes protected by the laws of the state, the same ones that say that killing another person is wrong.
When people are debating abortion, the real question and the one that the US supreme court wrestled with is what is life? The debate is not about forcing one's view on another, but for society to come to an agreement as to when life begins. In my opinion the only clear cut line is conception, pre con ception, no life, post conception there are too many ways to argue what is life, and as the court put it, when the state takes an interest in and protects that life.